queerqueerspawn:

jasontoddsrevenge:

What she said was “I swear those motherfuckers don’t have the ability to empathise” in reference to “white people” not “the white people who visit her blog” just “white people”. That doesn’t make her a “reverse racist” at all, just a plain old racist.

There is no ‘reason’ for hating white people. Racism is an unreasonable, illogical emotional response, often, to some sort of perceived trauma. Whether or not the trauma is real, extrapolating it to the race (or sexuality) of the person who inflicted it is wholly irrational and does not qualify as a ‘reason’ for anything. If someone I loved was murdered by a person of another race, would it be reasonable for me to hate that race? No, it would not, because the race has nothing to do with the murder.

theuppitynegras’s racism might be understandable given that she herself is likely discriminated against for her race, mostly, probably by white people but it is not reasoned or logical and should not be met with tolerance. Same with your claimed hatred of straight people.

Okay, I know Jocelyn doesn’t need me (or anyone else) to come in and fight her battles, so I’m just going to phrase this in terms of heterosexism.

Your whole etiology of bigotry (which you’re passing off as oppression) presumes victimhood. How did my family or any family like mine attack (I’m not even reaching to the point of your comparison, murder) anyone straight. When did *any* queer person, organization, group, or whatever stimulate the systematic pathologization, trivialization, demonization, and in some contexts even eradication of the lot of us? When it comes to actually examining bigotry, this idea of “people being mean” being the backbone of oppression falls apart.

Even if we somehow decide that way back in the eons some queer person was a complete dick and we’re all just suffering in the wake of that, you have to admit that there’s nothing analogous to that that’s being or ever been done to straight people for being straight people.

So, until anything like that is even remotely true, I think you’re going to have to admit that me saying straight people are usually awful would be something entirely different than if I or you or anyone else on tumblr had said oh well queer people are awful. There’s a social context to those statements that you’re not just ignoring but are outright misrepresenting.

And about that larger world we live in, isn’t it ~*logical*~ of me to be weary and wary of straight people after a straight judge attempted to dismantle my family and successfully bankrupted us, after straight people (and gay men concerned about ~heterophobia~ and ~men’s rights~) created a social climate in which my family was isolated and terrified and vulnerable, after a procession of straight mediators came into my and my parents’ lives and told us we needed to accept the sperm donor into our lives, after some more distant members of my family have continued to discuss my parents who have been in a serious relationship for nearly thirty years as if they’re just dating, after coalitions of straight people fought tooth and nail against the employment and housing protections that my family has depended on, after straight majorities in my state (who congratulate themselves for being open minded) voted to refuse my parents certain benefits twice, after the congregation (who also applaud themselves for being so very tolerant) that my parents and several other queer people had attended for years refused to even consider declaring themselves “welcoming” to queer and genderqueer people, after one straight woman there declared to one of my moms that she was raising me to be a “defective” person without a father, after a couple of straight people murdered a gay man a few miles from my house, and after a group of straight people held protests in the state capital calling for me and my parents to be deported.

I mean… shit, I’m not supposed to be able to absorb the pattern here?

OK, I initially thought you didn’t even read my post but I now realise I  phrased it poorly. When I said that racism was ‘often’ a reaction to a perceived trauma, I was not referring to modern institutional or colonial-era racism or, indeed, heterosexism in its institutional and historical forms. In hindsight, the word ‘often’ should probably have been ‘sometimes’ and I ought to have clarified that I meant personal racism (as expressed by theuppitynegress) and personal heterophobia (as expressed by yourself). It was not my intention to equate bigotry with oppression, although I can see how it came across like that.

So, until anything like that is even remotely true, I think you’re going to have to admit that me saying straight people are usually awful would be something entirely different than if I or you or anyone else on tumblr had said oh well queer people are awful. There’s a social context to those statements that you’re not just ignoring but are outright misrepresenting.

I agree that it would be different, yes and even that it would be worse, but I do not agree that your form of bigotry is somehow excusable, even if it comes from oppression. Saying that white people are incapable of empathy is racism. It is not oppressive and probably no one is going to die because of it, but it is hateful and bigoted and the willingness to tolerate it is frankly alarming. You, a white person, spent a post defending the idea that white people are incapable of empathy (you even twisted theuppitynegras’ words so that you wouldn’t have to admit they were talking about you as a white person). Do you really not see anything wrong with this?

A ‘wariness’ of heterosexual people might be logical, in a fairly basic sense, but hatred is not and hatred is what we were talking about. All those awful things that have happened to you and other gay people were inflicted by people who, as far as you know, were straight. Was it the fact that they were straight that made them do these things, or was it the fact that they were uneducated (either generally or on the nature of homosexuality) or religious or bitter or insecure in their own sexuality or for some other reason just unpleasant people? I can fairly confidently say, knowing a few straight people myself, that it is not heterosexuality which makes people wrong you and other gay people but some other factor. I hope to every god that you know at least one straight person who has not wronged you and whom you do not hate, if so, surely you can see that your hatred of straight people is illogical and morally wrong?

I am sorry to have to say this kind of thing, really, because from your post I can see why you feel the way you do and I suspect I would probably feel the same but I think it’s important that if something is objectively wrong then it should not be acceptable, no matter who says it.